so ryan would have to cut spending by one-fifth in ten years. those cuts go way beyond anything paul ryan suggested during the campaign. his old plan balanced the budget in 30 years. but he still wanted to cut programs for the poor by 62%. ryan's old budget would have slashed federal medicaid funding by almost a third. paul ryan's new budget plan will have to be leaner and meaner than the last one. but ryan claims the numbers will eventually add up. >> this isn't a republican or a democratic thing. this is a math thing. >> a math thing. let's turn to congressman chris van hollen, who is the ranking democratic member on the house budget committee. congressman, good to have you with us tonight. >> ed, it's good to be with you. your analysis is spot-on. >> although i do not have the swampland, i was just kidding on that one. >> right. >> what happened today on the debt ceiling? i mean, are we going to go through this again in another three, four months? >> well, that's right. look, the little bit of good news here, ed, was that republicans recogniz